>> schieffer: today op fakes the nation. the man thought to be his tear just head of isis makes a dramatic appearance in iraq and urges followers to step up the fight. while back home the immigration crisis on our own border intensifies. the militant group isis released this video says it is abu, that god ordered him to lead the rove likes. in israel the violence continues over -- get reports from the mid east we'll hear from senators john mccain and lindsey graham gist back from the region and senate's number two democrat dick durbin. then we'll take a break from the news foreran wall summer reading panel as we bring together five

authors who make truly evil thoughts. david ignatious whose knew book is "the director." karin slaughter and sandra brown's new book "mean streak" and jeffery deaver and lee child who writes the jack leecher series. they are contributors to new collection ever stories based on 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning again on this 4th of july weekend we're going first to cbs news correspondent charlie d'agata in baghdad. >> good morning. first of all iraq regovernment spokesman said that this video is a fake it's not al bagdadi he was injured in fighting but everybody else says that it is. and if so it underlines confidence from isis militants to put their leader on full

display in mosul's largest mosque. and to join the fight here. at the same time isis militant september out these pictures showing what they say destruction of ten shiite mosques and shrines throughout the territory in an effort to spark more sectarian violence. >> schieffer: is the iraqi military doing any better on any front here? >> really depends on who you speak to. you talk to the iraqis they are making progress specifically to that crete they're stopping an isis offensive but sat the tame time saudi arabia has to bulk up their border though say that forces had abandoned their post. iraqi government says that is not the case but shows you what kind of disarray. one thing that is clear that we

repeatedly get from iraqi sources that they cannot take or retake territory currently under isis control without significant support from the united states. >> schieffer: all right. charlie d'agata in baghdad. thank you so much. we turn now to the escalating violence in israel cbs newsman war lex ortiz joins us from tel aviv. >> good morning, bob. overnight we've seen more israeli airstrikes popping the gaza strip after dozens of rockets were fired this weekend. that after the worst violence east jerusalem has seen. reminiscent of the last lynn uprising more than a deck eight ago. this latest round of violence of triggered by back and forth kidnapping and murders of teenagers. first israeli teams then palestinian boy that set up violence, street battles. israeli police arrested suspects they think are responsible for

the abduction and murder of that child. as a threat of further rioting looms there have been efforts on parts of the authorities from both sides to step back from the brink and deescalate. bob, the question is whether the statements of pal figuress can actually restrain the simmering anger in the streets. today's calm is tenuous at best, but beyond that there's little effort to actually address the broader situation with peace negotiations having broken down all it would take is another casualty to unleash further bloodshed. >> schieffer: there was also some shocking video of israeli security forces beating a 15-year-old teenage boy who had turns out is an american citizen. in israel for summer vacation, i understand there is a new development on that story as well. >> that's right, bob. that video has certainly increased tensions here, it shows israeli soldiers repeatedly kicking and punching a bound palestinian boy in the head. he's been released to the

custody of his parents after they posted bail he has to remain under house arrest for week and half before they travel back to the united states. >> schieffer: alex ertiz thank you very much. here in washington we're joined by republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham who spent a lot of time there, they are also just back from afghanistan let me start with this video we saw of this child. state department put out a statement condemning the beating, they're demanding a full investigation. but is there anything the united states can do here senator mccain to calm this situation? >> this is one case where i do believe that our secretary of state should go to the region, this is i think our secretary of state. sect kerry could go to the region try to maybe do a little show of diplomacy. this is in danger of spiraling out of control.

there's a whole lot of reasons for it but right now this is a time where the united states could play constructive role. >> schieffer: senator graham? >> when you start killing children you sit yourself on a path that is hard to reverse, try to engage get the parties back in their corners. one thing about israel they will try to investigate and bring somebody to justice. other side is not very good at that. >> schieffer: let's get back to iraq. what is your take on this new video, is isis now trying to scare us? is the united states from isis growing? those are the two questions. >> well, according to direction for of national intelligence, fbi director and most of the community isis presents a direct threat to the homeland and syria now iraq. americans in western europeans are going to help the cause. yes, they are direct threat to

the homeland and getting much stronger. >> it's important to recognize that we did have some situation stabilized thanks to the surge that we could have left resittial force bind which would have stabilized the situation. this is not like a hurricane or earthquake. this didn't have to happen. this is a failure of the united states policy. by the way there still none that i can discern, either policy or strategy to handle this situation, this guy when he left the prison camp that we were in he said, see you in new york. we now have a largest and richest enclave of radical terrorism in history that not only encompasses iraq but iraq and syria. we have to look at this as syria-iraq problem. one of the things that we need to do, of course want malaki to be replaced but have to stop isis first. that means that we're going to have to do airstrikes we need to step up our support for the

syrian army that is right now getting very badly beaten. >> just one thing, is in for. you say we left, the iraqis would not sign status agreement which would have put under our control, legal control, are you just saying we didn't try hard enough? >> i'm saying they were ready to sign. this administration, this president didn't want to stay and we were there in baghdad and when they agreed to do it. we were actually there. and president of the united states would never give them a number of troops and their mission that they wanted to leave behind, words of general dempsey and testimony before the armed services, cascaded down to,000 people. the president campaigned he was going to get usous. make the same mistake in eaves unless he reverses that decision that he made. you're going to zoo the same result in afghanistan. we just came back from there. they feel abandoned. >> schieffer: senator, do you

agree with that? >> the big fear i have about what we're doing in afghanistan we have great capability now. we can watch a part of the world is a safe haven for terrorists. 1 years after 9/11 there are more terrorist groups with more weapons and more capabilities than before 9/11 and we're having less capability, less presence f. we get down to a thousand troops by 2017 dismantle our eyes and ears in afghanistan and pakistan it will haunt us far worse than iraq. counter terrorism mission in afghanistan is a front line defendant against for the homeland and it is being destroyed by this idea of leaving completely in 2017. reverse the course, keep our -- to protect us here at home. >> we're advocating leaving sustaining capability to give them the capabilities that they don't have right now. by the way one thing different from iraq there are two good men now who we hope will resolve

their differences we can get a president of iraq that will make a very big difference. ghani and abdullah are good people. what. >> protects the homeland from al qaeda is not decimated. the groups operating in pakistan and afghanistan are lethal, they're growing, we're about to shut down our ability to protect them. this literally is insane. >> we'll talk about that, if that is who we saw in the film, to either of you have any doubt that that is who that is? >> i have no doubt. he left the camp that we ran in iraq he said "see you in new york" there's no doubt of what their ambitions are they stated it very clearly. now have this large enclave and they are succeeding. that message is going around not only around the arab world but recruiting extremists as we speak. they're very good at pr. >> schieffer: we should go

after him directly because -- >> $10 million on his head. of course we could. that is not the point. if he goes somebody else is going to take his place. the situation which we have allowed to deteriorate because we didn't leave troops behind, decision on syria, long series of events which have caused us to be where we are today it all goes back to american leadership. >> schieffer: the president now asking for half million in aid for the rebels that are opposing assad in syria is that going to do it or -- >> not unless we take out assad he's airstrike -- air capability, these terrible bombs and also give them more weapons and we have them today. three years ago, fine. two years ago when president overruled his entire national security team's recommendation to provide weapons to these people but now it's not enough unfortunately.

>> schieffer: let me ask you about something closer to home this crisis building on our borders now these children that are flooding across the borders. what should we do, senator graham, with these children? >> well, we have to send them back because if you don't you're going to incentivise people throughout that part of the world to keep sending their children here. a third of the little girls are raped in the process of getting here. humanitarian problem but apart from immigration reform this is a specific problem created by impression that if you ghetto america you can stay. we've got to turn that impression around send these children back to the homeland tell countries in question if you don't keep them we're going to cut all aid off. >> if you want asylum, reason for it go to our embassy, we've up those capabilities don't come to the american border. i can't tell you how this breaks my heart because i still believe that comprehensive immigration reform a major part of which was

enforcing our border and reinforcing our border, this hurts -- >> schieffer: i know both of you are for immigration reform, some in your party saying let's call up the national guard to reinforce the border. >> we've had national guard troops on the border. there would be border patrol agent every thousand feet. we have sensors and technology in place in iraq and afghanistan. that's essential. the bill, 90% was required before anybody could move forward toward citizenship there. is a plan in place but it won't happen until the president signs the law. if the president does this by himself, he's going to make it so much harder. this is the administration -- >> schieffer: the congress won't do anything. the congress said they're not going to do anything about this. how do you feel about being members of a body that won't act

and a party on a crisis like this. >> just continue the fight. we'll continue the effort, respectful effort to convince our colleagues in the house that we need to move forward on this issue. but it doesn't help when the president says that he's going to -- he has a pen and he has a phone. but we'll continue to make that effort on the grounds of security of our border as well as the fact that you cannot deport 11 million people. >> there is a change in our party. i don't see how you can effectively win the presidency in 2016 if you adopt self deportation as republican view. ted cruz embraces legalization without path to citizenship. makes it hard to deal with a president who hat every turn and changes it from the irs to obamacare. it has cumulative affect there are people in the republican party who get it. but the president is making very

hard for us those who do get it to work with him because he's union rat laterally changed every day he doesn't like. >> senator mccain i have one question i can't let you get away without asking because hillary clinton has said that you are her favorite republican. and i just want to ask you, is she your favorite democrat? >> i hope this program was blacked out in arizona. i respect secretary senator clinton i respect her views. we have had disagreements on a number of issues. but i think it's my job to work with every president if she is regrettablyf she attains the presidency. i worked with her in the senate. i just work with senator sanders on a veterans affairs bill. we've got to fix the v.a. how do you do that? you have to reach across the aisle and work together on certain issues.

i'm not only not embarrassed about that i'm proud of it and i respect hillary clinton. i may not agree with her. >> schieffer: all right. thank you both. we're going to turn now to the number two democrat in the senator richard durbin in springfield, illinois, this morning. is hillary clinton your favorite democrat, senator? >> i think hillary clinton would be a great president i support her. i served with her in the senate, i watch her as secretary of state, i think she has what it takes bob more serious question here. i want to ask you also about thighs children that are flooding our borders. federal government seems paralyzed to doing anything about this. where do we start to fix this? what needs to be done here? i'm not talking about passing some bill in the future i'm talking about fixing this right now. >> there are two parts i want to make for you, bob. first is i think this administration understands what needs to be done and it's really amazing challenge.

first get down to honduras, el salvador and guatemala make it clear that sending these children north is a desperate and deadly decision. and that they got to stop as quickly as possible and enforce that information, gathering in those countries. second, the smugglers and coyotes hit with the hardest penalties we can come up with. the fact that they lure these children in to the deadly journey is just unspeakable. it is an awful crime. and third, we have to deal with these children. it was the homeland security act signed by president george w. bush which says, we treat these children humanely. which means we view the compassionate responsibility of the united states for these kids as their process back to where they came from. they have no legal status here in the united states. the second point, i am really getting fed up with some of the critics of this administration, particularly from house republicans. they had the opportunity for one solid year to call the immigration reform bill and yet

they refuse to. now they're arguing we need more enforcement at the borders a lot of other things. when are they going to accept their responsibility to govern, to call this bipartisan bill for consideration. >> i want to ask you also about iraq, you just heard senator mccain, you just heard senator graham did you think democrats will stand behind the president if he decides to order airstrikes, if he decides to go after isis and i guess i would ask you also do you agree with the two senators we just heard that this really is a threat toe american security this isis group and what they stand for? >> well, i think we need to take them seriously but realistically. this is what it comes down to. whether we learn in the last 12 years in this part of the world we have learned that the united states has the best military on earth. the best weapons, the best technology and yet even those

troops, even that capacity cannot restore a leadership to iraq, malaki is that unified iraq, our american forces can't cake it. how do we bring about nationalism in iraq where people are still have blood feuds. do we honestly believe that sending airstrikes in is going to change 14 century old battle within the religion of the muslim people? that is not going to happen. let's be careful as president says, use our power and our authority in an effective way. he's called for counter terrorism partnership. i think that is a move in the right direction. engage other countries with the united states. this go it alone, call in airstrikes is not going to solve -- >> schieffer: who do we work with? iran, syria? who exactly in this broad strategy do we work for, with? >> neither of those near situation in iraq and syria

today. we have to carefully choose our allies. within the region of other countries that will come and stand behind us to stop the spread of terrorism that's what the president is looking for. partnerships to bring peace to this part of the world. haven't relearned our lesson after 12 years, look what happened to iraq, 4,484 americans gave their lives-30,000 came home seriously injured. two trillion dollars to our national debt. the suggestion that now we're going to engage more military force in this region should be done carefully. i think the president is trying to do that at this point i support him. >> schieffer: all right. senator durbin we thank you for joining us on this 4th of july. we'll be back in one minute with some personal thoughts on what the fourth means. ♪

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>> schieffer: we all know why we celebrate the fourth. the nation's birthday. founders signed the declaration of independence. but that is just the beginning of what happened on the fourth. three of our first five presidents, thomas jefferson, john adams and james monroe, died on july 4th. of jefferson and adams within hours of one another in 1826. our 30th president calvin coolidge was born on the fourth. west point opened on july 4th, 1802. the louisiana purchase, acquisition from france of 800,000 square miles of land that now includes all or parts of 14 states west of the mississippi was announced to the american people on july 4th, 1803. the cornerstone of the washington monument was laid on independence day 1848.

more than 150 years later the cornerstone of the freedom tower was laid at the world trade center site on july 4th. lyndon johnson chose july 4th, 1966, to sign the freedom of information act in to law. over shadowed by the fourth this whole weekend is one for anniversaries and birthdays. yes, sir marks the anniversary of franklin roosevelt signing the bill creating the national labor relations board in 1937. and today is the birthday of nancy reagan and george w. bush. all goes as it usually does this weekend, americans will have celebrated all or some of the above by eating 155 million hot dogs. back in a minute. [ starter ] ready! [ starting gun goes off ]

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>> schieffer: coming up on our next half hour our summer reading panel with best selling mystery writers david ignatious, lee child, sandra brown, karin slaughter and jeffery deaver. plus, we'll have tribute to real american hero the author who told us about him. stay with us if you will.

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>> schieffer: welcome back the "face the nation." now the fun part. this year's bookable we thought we'd try something a little different a summer reading show looking at some of this year's hottest thrillers with some of the country's best known mystery writers. sandra brown has written over 70 novels, 63 of them make "new york times" best seller list. her late zest "mean streak" it will be out next month. lee child and jeffery deaver have written 151 novels between them they contributed to "face offer" both have now books, lee child's is called "personal" it will be out later this summer, jeffery deaver's main character lincoln rhimes his new one is "the skin collector" also like to welcome karin slaughter who has written 14 thrillers, her new one is "cop town" and

someone familiar to "face the nation" viewers, in addition to his day job as columnist for the "washington post," david ignatious writes thrillers, too. his latest is "the director." welcome to you guys. i must say is it safe to be here, you truly think evil thoughts you sit around thinking how to kill people. i just as we get on with this i want to ask you about, the inspiration come from personal experience, does it come from the newspaper, where does it come from? but first, lee and jeffery i want to ask you about this new book that you are both a part of, this is a book called "face off" and it is about what, how many writers here? >> 22 writers that write 11 stories. >> schieffer: tell us what this is about? >> it's about readers, fundamentally. all riders have one or two or three or four favorite

characters. they start day dreaming, what happened if this guy and this guy were in the same story. that is what we did. we have, for instance, dennis lane and michael connelly bringing together their characters in the same story. and 11 people, 11 pairs of people did that. it was a lot of fun. >> lee is the head of organization called international thriller writers, he can speak about it probably better than i can, i've been a member for some time now. it's a group that nurtures young beginning writers and is also part of the established mystery writer organization, is that have been around for ten years now, right? >> schieffer: i guess we should point out this assignment, simon and shoeser owned by cbs. but you take the proceeds from this and it supports your thriller writer association. >> yes. the itw is a membership fee free. people can join for free if they

like to. this is one of the projects that lee and number of other people put together to fund that. >> schieffer: i tell you it's just fabulous i've read four of these. they are really fun because it's a great book to read before you go to bed. and then you can turn in and read another one. >> what's fun, too, that writers tend not to play well with others this is sort of a forced opportunity to put us together with some other folks see what came out. >> schieffer: that's great. one of the things as a writer of nonfiction books, i know how to do that. i would not know where to start in writing a book of fiction. and, david, you've done both. you're a columnist for the "washington post" and your new book "the director" is about the c.i.a. and it's post snowden, almost like -- did you start this book before snowden? >> yes, i started a year before we'd ever heard of snowden.

but that's a good example. you've come up with a plot that embodies things you know are going on in the world as collision between the world of hacking and espionage. then along comes real life, real life is different than, some ways more interesting than what you had imagined. you rework, it's that process of taking real things and then reworking them in our imagination make them feel more real for the readers. you can write 100,000 word newspaper story, but that wouldn't be very interesting to read. a novel is 100,000 words but different and powerful. >> schieffer: sandra brown, one of the things i discovered as i say i write nonfiction things when he write books, i did branch out in to song writing which is a certain fiction in there. what i discovered as a songwriter you better have an excuse that you can explain to your wife why you wrote this particular song.

and so when i read your books, i must say, another full, sandra and i go way back she's old tcu gal we beth went to tcu she worked as intern at the "star tell gram." >> that's when i first met bob schieffer. >> schieffer: let me ask you this. you have a lot of steamy sex scenes in some of your books. is that a problem for you? you're happily married. >> it's not a problem for me. i think my readers lover it. but i think you're referring to one time michael was reading, my husband was reading a passage, you know, this is really good. we never did this. [ laughter ] keeps him on his toes. well, i write about murder but i've never killed anybody, either. it is fiction. >> schieffer: karin, tell us

about your new book. this is a stand alone, this is not a character you've dealt with. >> two two new characters, two women who are police officers set in atlanta in the 1970s which is a fascinating time because i was a kid, i wasn't paying a lot of attention. but for women during that time period there were so few legal protections for them, if a woman wanted the get a carlin or buy a house or rent an apartment or get a credit card she had to have a man cosign with her. that was just shocking for me to learn that, then fast forward to the 197 a lot of new laws to protect them. i write about atlanta the laws didn't reach there for awhile. but even something like birth control, in 1972, a case came up before the supreme court and prior to that, a woman was not allowed to legally have contraception unless she was married. in effect she had to have a man's permission. it's really funny because you fast forward now we have to have

permission for five supreme court justices. just writing about that i think probably everyone here agrees with me, the point of writing a thriller to sort of hold a mirror up to society and show people what is going on. if you write about it in the 1970s you can explain a lot more than if you write about it now. >> schieffer: you both i would character books, the other writes the lincoln rimes book. i would like to ask you how do you dream up these characters they are really one of a kind guys, i guess that's what you're trying to do. >> sure. about 15 years ago, i was looking for new book idea, i listen to what readers expect. i write a very fast paced cinematic novel that is the formula for a deaver novel. i wanted a different hook, something to make read others perk up their ears. i decided to do a new version of sherlock holmes. nothing to do with the original

story. but what i wanted was character who had to out think the villain. i didn't want the bad guy and good guy to have that climactic scene where the hero has a flashback to his youth he says, my dad taught me to karate kick this certain way or kickbox when i was a young boy now i remember that, that's a cliche. lincoln rimes, quadriplegic, paralyzed from the neck down has to out think the villain. "the bone collector" he was proud of the book, seemed to do well it took off around the world. millions of copies. >> schieffer: you're characters are much different. >> pure wishful fillment. what would i do if i could get away with it. jack reacher was the answer to that. he lives in a way that i think a lot of us would like to live, always moving on, owns nothing, lives no where, no job, no home.

just free. and the freedom of reacher is what a lot of people respond. >> schieffer: he is what we do if we do what we really want. >> originally i thought that was a man's thing. i thought men would understand that fantasy but over the years i've learned it's a woman's fantasy that they just walk away from it all, be somewhere else tomorrow. that they have never been before. there are disadvantages, no support system, no soap opera. he doesn't have a job, doesn't have a boss, doesn't have friends or neighbors, it's just him. each book is relatively difficult. how to get him solved, he shouldn't be involved. but every chapter one is about how do we get him in to this story. once he's in then it's great. he can be anywhere, do anything. as you said 19 books. i thought i would be getting sort of bored by 19 books. every story can be completely

different. this new one "personal" part is set in paris, part is set in london, it's extremely glamorous for a reacher novel. normal lease he's out in $20 motel in the west somewhere. now he's in paris. >> schieffer: i was just thinking about this as we put this panel together, i didn't mean it to be this way, four out of five of you used to be journalists in one way or another. david still is. >> i can't escape it. in my fiction i do get to imagine "what if." what if the things that i'm writing about as a journalist were pushed to the limit. what if i could get inside see what was going on in my new book "the director" came to the c.i.a. somebody walked in to the american consulate and said, you've been hacked, we're inside your systems. what would he do? where would he turn? that for me through my whole career has been start can with

things that are real then thinking, what if. what would they do if the next thing was pushed. >> to some extent, we're all attuned like everyone in the country we're immersed with media constantly. and it's a flicker or twitter away, a world story. what we as novelists as fiction writers do is put a different spin. i'll see something, it can be the most bizarre, the craziest thing you think how in the world did somebody get in that situation. you start asking the "what if" and put a different spin on the factual story and that's where i have come up with some ideas with which to work and expand on. >> years ago readers would write in say, the government would never do that. now of course they're saying, maybe they would. >> i found, too, that the journalism training i had as a matter of technique has been

very helpful because we create fictional worlds but have to be recognizable to the readers. being a journalist i'd go out interview people, get the facts, try to create the scenario, very realistic, concrete way that's helped my fiction. >> i just make stuff up. my father teases me because i was such a day dreamer as a child he thinks it's wonderful i get paid for it now. but like these guys that i'm here with today we all just pay attention to things, we have these wild i will madge nations where we take the kernel of a crime or something weird that happens and turn it in to an entire book. we all get asked i got this great idea for a book, you write it we'll split the proceeds. the idea really isn't the hard part it's sitting down figuring out, how are the characters going to tell this story. for a lot of us, how is the character going to change because of this. because when people are affected by crime it changes them. whether they're victims or

investigators or people in the community. that is a real focus in a lot of our work, how is this going to change people. lee is very fortunate because jack reacher never changes. he just buys a new toothbrush. >> in general, the best book is not watching the detective work on a crime it's watching the crime work on the detective. the psychological stresses, reacher is immune from that. he's the same at the end of the book than at the beginning. he doesn't learn much, just unstoppable force. >> schieffer: sandra and i were talking, she made the remark that in television people tend to be quite jealous of other people's success. but she said, when a writer writes a good book all writers celebrate, why is that? >> because i think we're all readers first. we all love a good story. and i personally think that what

is good for one author is good for everyone. i remember when the harry potter books were so popular they were having midnight parties and mothers were taking their children to get the hats and everything and magic wands, they were having galas at bookstores. aren't you a little jealous, but they are doing that for me, while the mothers are standing there in line they might pass a sandra brown book pick it up for the first time. i celebrate when there's a phenomenon in the publishing industry. >> anything that gets people to read is good. >> schieffer: what are you guys reading now? >> i just finished lee's, i enjoyed it but now i'm reading "the quick" a gothic victorian back. we don't always read thrillers. one of my favorite was sandra's that she wrote "sweet water." she just told me, i said what is

it? a wonderful book. she so great at writing characters. that is something we all focus on, not just broader story but who is this character and what are they going to do that is really going to pull the reader in make them interesting to the reader. >> schieffer: who do you think is most significant book you ever read? made the biggest impact. >> as writer i think the novels of graham green are the ones i go back to again and again. sometimes when i start a book i'll see how he did it. the heart of the matter, the quiet american. they're very modern books, so elegant. i read a lot of history right now what is on my device is book called "warrant in arabia" austerer of t.e. laurence. it's scarily appropriate for the mess that we're all looking at the middle east. it shows how these lines in the sand how they got drawn in complete duplicity. series of lies by britain and

france just makes your skin crawl. >> schieffer: he talks about reading it on a device, would you rather read in awoke-book. >> i'm a paper guy that street not to say that i don't have the e-readers for convenience. sometimes gratification i read review of a book. >> i'm back to paper. i've tried devices, they're great for traveling if you're on the road. but without any agenda i just have drifted back to paper books. >> schieffer: what are you two reading? >> right now being here in the nation's capital i have wonderful book "magnificent catastrophe" about the owel of 1800. if we think politics is newly invented, it's the same. >> i'm reading a book, nonfiction called "jet set" about the boeing 707. in 1958 the way that that changed the world that we can all get around so much faster

and more easily and travel en masse. >> i finished "matches burning" the sins of the fathers being revisited during the civil rights wars in mississippi in 1964. >> schieffer: let me ask you this question. what about, are there still places to go to promote books? barnes & noble is -- we see it sha ricking. >> "face the nation." >> going to take over. >> schieffer: what about the future of books, are people still reading? i do. >> if you go to a book store to give a lecture, i'm sure all of us do that on our book tours, seeing people in that setting, everyone of them, see in their eyes how much they love reading and try to explain what you do and the sense that they're in it

with you. the way a book comes alive again is dead. comes alive. a group of those people it's exciting. >> everything is a story. television commercial is a 30 second story. people will always consume stories. the exact form which they will consume them changes. but reading is will also be there. and it becomes huge then dies away, comes back, reading will always be there. >> we've heard last year, 300,000 books, titless, were published in the united states. those are traditional books, that's ebooks as well as print books. the market expanded 2013. >> schieffer: does it bother you that with the coming of the twitter and facebook all that in these really short messages, do you think people's attention spans are shortening? is it harder for people to read

a book now than it used to be? >> it's probably relief. you get so much more when you read a book much you have ability to lose yourself. the whole point of a book is to shut out the rest of the world and people really need that now. the more connected we are the more we need time to ourselves. >> i have gotten to the point at certain hour of the evening i shut down the phone, the ipad, the everything, i don't look at it again. and i sit and read. and i have a conversation with my husband and because we are now almost forced to do a lot of social media promotion and just gets consuming. at some point i feel like it's sensory over load i can't handle any more. to me reading is that mistake, that relaxation. >> schieffer: very well said. this was really fun. i knew it would be. i'm glad you all could come this morning. i'll be back in just a minute to a tribute to a real american

hero and author who told us about him.

>> schieffer: speaking of books and authors we note the matting of louis zamperini. destined to become one of american literature's most memorable figures because he was in life one of america's true heroes.

when he died last week at 97, millions of us had come to know him as the central figure in "unbroken" one of the best selling books of all time by laura hillenbrand whose own story is as remarkable as the man she wrote about. as a teenager zamperini ran in the 1936 berlin olympics, while he was there he managed to steal a nazi flag from the german chancellor. as a bombardier in world war ii he was shot down over the pacific and survived for 47 days in an open raft. only to be captured, tortured and starved at a japanese prison camp for two years. >> we too great joy telling us we were going to be executed. they would always go through the motion. >> schieffer: it took hillenbrand seven years to research and write the story, yet she never met zamperini as she told cbs news correspondent

chip reid by telephone, because she is confined to her home by a rare disease called chronic fatigue syndrome. >> patients often go in to times where they are literally able to get out of bed for weeks or months or years. it was something that helped me identify with louis because his story is margely about suffering. >> schieffer: she was telling a hero's story as she interviewed him over the years by phone, she became his heroin heroine. >> you deserve this more than i do. >> when they met two years ago zamperini told hillenbrand the book was a crescendo of his life. >> he believes he's lived this far to see it written and read. that was the loveliest thing he said. >> schieffer: her book has been on the "new york times" best seller list for 274 weeks. and the story will soon become a

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>> schieffer: that's all the time we have for today thanks for watching "face the nation." still time to eat another hot dog and we'll see you next week.

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